the law, but kentucky held out until the 20th century. the late 20th century, emancipating or supporting that amendment. that's impressive for a state that stayed in the union, and it was lincoln's home state too, of course. >> that's right. with that as a backdrop, why do you say "lincoln's forgotten ally"? >> i think because of the nature of the kentucky's post war history. if he was a union man and the state was really somewhat angry at the direction the union policy took, then there's not much to celebrate about holt; right? he was, in many ways, lincoln's hammer, and if you really didn't like emancipation and so on, and so kentucky wouldn't be inclined to celebrate him other than maybe the unionists in the state. he was also an intensely private person. someone who never sought elected officings and so he didn't do a whole lot to promote himself, although he lived a long life into the late 1800s, 1894 he died, but he retreated in the last 20 years of life into pretty much a private world and didn't promote himself. i also think that